I defy G12 anti-catholicism


Dearly beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits if they be of God: because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 1 John 4:1

A G-12 member church

I had a chat with a college friend of mine in facebook yesterday. He was one of my closest listeners if we will tackle on religion when we were in college. Indeed, I was confident that time that he understood the right faith to the wrong faith but not until he confessed to me yesterday that he is not already a Catholic and believed to an Evangelical Strategy in which he specifically mentioned to me the name of it as “G12” At first, I was shocked about his decision since he was a devout Catholic but anyway, everybody is changing and I must move on to accept the fact that he is not already part of the TRUE CHURCH built by Christ. So one might be confused, what is about G12?

What is G12?

According to the wikipedia, it states that: The G12 Vision is a strategy for Christian evangelism to fulfill the Great Commission. It is founded upon the idea that every Christian can mentor and lead twelve people in the Christian faith, following the example of Jesus. So with that definition, it is clear that this group is another kind of strategy amongst evangelicals to encourage non-believers to their faith to be in their flock. The founder of this strategy is Mr. César Castellanos and his wife Claudia. It all began in Bogota, Columbia and as of now gained evangelical christian churches to gather their people to engage in their ministry. He believed that he had a vision that they must follow what Jesus during His ministry after he went to South Korea where a Korean pastor encouraged 1,000,000 million members to join in his fold, Their based their method on the book of Mark 3:14 where Jesus’ commissioned the 12 apostles, and they believed, it should also be applied to every individual Christians.

Many asserted that this group is patterning the hierarchy of the Catholic Church and sometimes proposed that they are competing the church by gathering all evangelical churches ;mostly pentecostal and neo-charismatic movements.

Why should we defy this kind of strategy?

Simple, because this is another kind of a strategy in spreading lies about the Catholic Church. It is obvious because when me and my friend had a chat in facebook, he mentioned about Martin Luther and the reason why he went against Catholic teachings. So typically, the teachings of this system is technically anti-Catholicism and promote anti-Catholic tracts to the people [especially Catholics] in order to gain members to the Born Again Sect they are with. Other Born Again churches but do not subscribe to the  G12 strategy were also skeptic to the system because of the controversies and problems not just in handling the faithful but also to their doctrines and practices. I hope Catholics will get a bit of information this group through my blog and be aware about the system.

This afternoon [April 20, 2012], I rode on a jeepney from Dacudao, Davao City to SPMC [Southern Philippines Medical Center] via Cabaguio, Agdao Davao City when suddenly the driver stopped at the NSO branch where it is also near to a born again ministry who claimed that they are the propagator of G12, the name of the sect is “Releaser of Life Family Church” headed by Pastor Tito Sasam. [Update; This evangelical movement is affiliated to a local non-denominational school-based group “DESTINY”  of which they are targeting schools in order to gain members and in Davao-alone recruited many Catholics to join in their flock especially in colleges and universities. But even to that, the strong Youth Catholic Faith Defenders on some of the colleges and universities in Davao rescued many of them and majority of those fooled were welcomed again to the Catholic Church… I congratulate BEC-CFD-YFC USEP and the University of Mindanao for a job well done, I hope they will move on by reverting more those who were lost to other faith, your mission is massive and be prepared to discussions and interrogations that all of you may encounter. Please pray also to the one I mentioned above that he may be enlightened and go back to the Catholic fold. Ad Majorem Dei Gloriam [Updated April 20, 2012]

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  1. #1 by Victor Venus on July 12, 2012 - 5:54 pm

    http://www.doulosforchrist.org/g12 . . open the link.. for you to understand more. also please, i tell you, open your heart and mind as you read . . . thank you !

    • #2 by flewen on July 23, 2012 - 3:13 pm

      mr. Victor, I know already the system of G12, and I found out that even if many of the born again ministries penetrated the system, but until now, the doctrines being taught by your pastors did not coincide with each other, in fact not all of the born again ministries adhered to the system because of relevant issues to the churches who used that system to encourage Christians to join in their flock, so that seems to be copying a hierarchy of the Catholic Church, in an anti-catholic way…believe me, born again ministries doesn’t have any right to use the bible out of context because you don’t own it..and your churches did not compile it not unless the Catholic Church identified what books are to be put in the Bible…

  2. #3 by proG12 on July 31, 2012 - 2:26 pm

    For me .. there’s nothing wrong in G12 ..

    • #4 by flewen on August 1, 2012 - 10:51 am

      why did you say that?

  3. #5 by raf on September 18, 2012 - 2:45 am

    there’s nothing wrong in G12

    G12 (system poh yang strategy kung baga).di poh yan religion o sect.. judge kau ng judge eh di nyu pa nman alam ang totoo.. .

    ** Simple, this is another kind of a strategy towards spreading bad things about the Catholic Church…**

    (di nman poh kami naninira ng church o ano pa yan..) nsa tao poh yan eh kung san nya gusto kahit ikaw nman poh kung di mo gusto ung bagay di mo talaga bibilhin o kukunin yan… make sense poh..

    di nman nmin pinilit oh ano pa ba . kusang luob cla eh.. they have their own brain,decision.. .

    gawin nyu nlang poh kung ano ang will ni LORD…

    matthew 28:19-20

    ” Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

    • #6 by flewen on September 27, 2012 - 4:26 pm

      there’s nothing wrong in G12

      there will always be a mistake in the system of G12.

      G12 (system poh yang strategy kung baga).di poh yan religion o sect.. judge kau ng judge eh di nyu pa nman alam ang totoo.. .

      may sinabi ba ako na ito’y relihiyon o sekta?

      ** Simple, this is another kind of a strategy towards spreading bad things about the Catholic Church…**

      (di nman poh kami naninira ng church o ano pa yan..) nsa tao poh yan eh kung san nya gusto kahit ikaw nman poh kung di mo gusto ung bagay di mo talaga bibilhin o kukunin yan… make sense poh..

      naku po, I have entered to a worship service on one of your G12 member church in Davao. grabe, purely anti catholicism ang style, one head pastor even called Catholics as EVIL people. don’t you get what I mean? Catholics are DEVIL PEOPLE?

      di nman nmin pinilit oh ano pa ba . kusang luob cla eh.. they have their own brain,decision.. .

      alam mo, kahit masasabi nating hindi pinipilit pero kung ididikdik ninyo sa mga napadala ninyong katoliko ang mga mali maling impresiyon sa mga pinaniniwalaan ng namin, isa yang brainwashing technique. Papaano mo masasabing tama ka kung ginagawa ninyong tanga ang mga katoliko. Target pa ninyo mga kabataan. Obvious ang stratehiya ninyo. I have met many of those who were fooled by the preachings of many of your G12 pastors, masyadong anti Catholic ang labas.

      gawin nyu nlang poh kung ano ang will ni LORD…

      matthew 28:19-20

      ” Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

      It is the Catholic Church that is doing that and your church are just fantasizing the ideas coming from the Catholic Church. Matanong ko lang, kelan ba nabuo ang inyong iglesiya? dahil ang naglagay ng mga chapters at verses na ginagamit mo ngayon, Iglesiya Katolika ang may pakana niyan.

  4. #7 by nes patio on December 31, 2012 - 5:35 am

    Wrong! It is not the Catholic church that had put the chapters and verses in the Bible. It is the Lord God, through His Disciples. Inspired by the Holy Spirit! Please red your bible. 2 Peter 1:20-21
    “Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the Scripture is of any private interpretation, for the prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.” the Bible was written by holy men of God who spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit. And if you ask how did God move them, Galatians gives us the answer for the case of Paul which is also the same for all the others: Galatians 1:11-12 “I want you to know, brothers, that the gospel I preached is not something that man made up. I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather I RECEIVED IT BY REVELATION…”

    2 Timothy 3:16
    “All Scripture is given by inspiration of God….”

    • #8 by flewen on February 23, 2013 - 11:45 am

      what is wrong with the fact that Bishop Stephen Langton, an Archbishop of Canterbury in 1227 divided the Bible into chapters? are you not aware with the fact that before the seat of Canterbury was tainted with the Protestant Reformation, it was once a Catholic seat before it was diverted to the Anglican Church? are you not aware with your history? because even non-Catholic sources will defy you..

      read: http://www.gotquestions.org/divided-Bible-chapters-verses.html

    • #9 by JoneliLoveMyChurch on December 13, 2014 - 6:23 am

      if what you believed will set you free of being a Manginginom, smoker, trash talker, hater, unforgever, Lover of money, irresponsibly person then stay on that but if not…well I think there’s something wrong? the more I red the bible the more I changed, the more I gain compassion for others, the more I love God, in short…nwala na lahat ung mga bagay na alam kung ayaw ni Lordna gawain ko. alam nyo? instead of manira kayo, why not sharing Jesus to others, to the point na ma inlove din sila kai Lord. diba? Our goal is to make everyone have relationship with JEsus…IN ALL WAYS!.. clear?

      • #10 by flewen on January 10, 2015 - 5:07 pm

        kaibigan, sigurado ka po bang ako ay Manginginom, smoker, trash talker, hater, unforgever, Lover of money, irresponsibly person? bearing false witness ka yata kaibigan (Exodus 20). The more you read huh pero ikaw ay mapanghusga, mapagimbabaw, nagmamalinis, mapagkunwari at sinungaling. Iyan ba ang naituro sa iyo ng bibliya? na kahit hindi mo kilala ay huhusgahan mo ayon lamang sa nasagap mo sa mga sabi sabi? Hindi lahat ng katoliko ay masama, hindi rin lahat ng mga hindi katoliko ay mabuti kaya huwag mong gawing dahilan na dahil may nakikita kang masamang katoliko ay sigurado ka nang lahat ng mga katoliko ay masama. Tawag diyan ay HOLIER THAN THOU HYPOCRITE.

        Hindi rin ako naninira dahil alam ko ang aking mga sinasabi at alam ko kung bakit ko ito sinabi.

        At alam ko ang goal ninyo, ngunit ang ipinupunto ko ay ang mga itinuturo ninyo. Ano ba ang ginamit king bersikulo sa paunang statement ko sa artikulong aking ginawa?

        Dearly beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits if they be of God: because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 1 John 4:1

        Ngayon, hindi bat akmang akma iyan sa mga pastor ninyo sa mga sektang kakasulpot lang?

  5. #11 by nes patio on December 31, 2012 - 5:43 am

    also.. I did not see the G12 in the Bible. It is not taught by Jesus Christ to his Disciples. It is a system made by man Cesar Castillanos.

    • #12 by flewen on February 23, 2013 - 11:41 am

      i agree..so what´s your point?

  6. #13 by princess A on March 10, 2014 - 1:59 am

    also.. I did not see the G12 in the Bible. It is not taught by Jesus Christ to his Disciples. It is a system made by man Cesar Castillanos.

    matthew 28:19-20

    ” THEREFORE GO AND MAKE DISCIPLES TO ALL NATIONS, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”

    it’s very obvious that Jesus commanded us to make disciples. This is where G12 concept is found. It is not a religion it is a strategy. Jesus have 12 disciples. He taught them how to fish for people.

    Sinabi mo na ang G12 is not in the BIBLE, how much more ang STO. Nino? How about ang ROSARY? How about ang BLACK Nazarene?

    Jesus did not come to build religion. He came to save us from the guilt of our sins and restore our relationship back to God. It’s relationship not religion.

  7. #15 by hypocrite on August 1, 2014 - 5:38 am

    what kind of relationship you have with God?

    • #16 by flewen on August 12, 2014 - 1:24 pm

      what is the relationship of that question to the article I wrote?

  8. #17 by JoneliLoveMyChurch on December 13, 2014 - 5:54 am

    We don’t care what you say about G12 and our church…its your opinion.. if you think you are right, stick to that..Im sure kung saan kami papunta…wala ka doon… salvation is individual not by group…you should work it out if you think you are saved… respect lang sir/maam…this site is just for kids.. i suggest you add a little bit of balloons and clowns….

    • #18 by flewen on January 10, 2015 - 4:52 pm

      salvation is individual, not a group? kaibigan, naiintindihan mo ba ang sinasabi mo? kapag sinasabi mong individual, dapat huwag ka na po sanang umanib sa sektang iyong kinabibilangan. You don’t care dahil ayaw mong alamin, kapag kasi ang natutunan mo ay kabaluktutan, manunuya ka, palalabasin pangbata umano ang nakasaad sa isinulat ko, ano to.. GRASPING YOUR ARROGANCE AND PRIDE? kaibigan, kung may argumento ka pong gustong buksan, pakilahad na lang po dito ha nang magkaalaman tayo.. sa nakikita ko kasi, emosyonal ka lang, bakit kaya? bigyan pa kita ng kendi nang masiyahan ka pa ha?

  9. #19 by ChelsChildOfGod on January 20, 2015 - 1:14 pm

    uhm, I really don’t understand your point.
    First of all,are you truly a server of God?
    You call us hypocrites when we are actually not.
    What is wrong with you? True, God didn’t specifically said to make 12 disciples.
    I am a catholic. 100%. I am in the process in becoming a “born again”. There is nothing wrong in
    G12 and so is the Catholic. If you are truly a server of God. don’t judge, as what God ordered us. Do you know what really is important? It is to spread the word of God. To spread His kingdom. Because that is what God wants us to do. Catholics, Jehova’s witnesses, Born again christians, and all those other religions who serve God are all pretty much the same because they spread the word of God, they serve God. It’s just a way on how to spread the kingdom of God. By the way, God didn’t specifically said on how to spread His kingdom.

    Hypocrites? ha! I was once a hypocrite. I go to my church, showing others that I believe in God, that I serve God, but without the passion and heart and they don’t even see that. Now that is a hypocrite! a pretender! I am actually very glad because I was saved by the Lord. People who follow this G12 “strategy” truly served God with all their hearts. And that’s what you call a hypocrite?

    You think we brainwashed people? How come? We are just humans. We are all DIFFERENT. Some strategies will work on us, and some don’t. It really depends on the person.

    Now, if you are wondering why I asked if you are truly a server of God, it is because you are wasting your time trying to ruin another way of spreading the Kingdom of God. When what you should be doing right now is to spread His kingdom. Spread His love, His words, His story. That is what is important. There was no Catholic, or G12 being stated in the Bible. It His words, His teachings. Both have points. What you should be doing right now is to be His instrument. To spread His word. To share to other people what God has made you.

    I am not defending the G12, I am just saying my opinion. That we should ALL respect each other. Do you think God is happy of what you’re doing? That He is pleased? You are breaking His rules. You are disobeying Him. By what way? By judging us. By hating us. You yourself said that you defy our system. In which that would be us.

    You think that those who follows the G12 needs to be saved? Why? You tried our system, you think it’s not right. Okay then. But try to respect us. You think we are your enemies? Then love your enemies. Just as what God said. Do you know who needs to be saved? Those HYPOCRITES, those who say they serve God but committing sins with great pleasure over and over again. Now those are HYPOCRITES. Not just hypocrites, even non-believers, atheists, those who still don’t know God, those who are not committed to Him. Those kind of people are the ones who needs to be saved.

    I am a Catholic, but I am following the G12 system. It is because their system worked on me. It made a TRUE server of God. Now, the G12 system may have not worked on you. But it worked in your college friend. Just as what I have said, we are all DIFFERENT. But even though we are different, we are not on the same team, same system, that doesn’t matter. As long as we are committed to God, we are spreading His Kingdom and His words, we are serving Him, that matters.

    • #20 by flewen on March 17, 2015 - 1:47 am

      uhm, I really don’t understand your point.

      My Reply: My point is simple, you believe in the wrong system.

      First of all,are you truly a server of God?

      My reply: why? Are you questioning me already just because I defy the system?

      You call us hypocrites when we are actually not.

      My reply: you are! Aren’t you aware with what you believe in? I already stated my points via my article and comment section, ano pa ba ang sinasabi mong hindi ka ipokrito?

      What is wrong with you?

      My reply: Nothing is wrong with me, ikaw ang may problema actually.

      True, God didn’t specifically said to make 12 disciples.

      My reply: yun naman pala eh, inamin mo rin.

      I am a catholic. 100%.

      My reply: may 100 percent ba na Katoliko pero naniniwala sa mga doktrina ng mga born again?ipokrito ka nga

      I am in the process in becoming a “born again”. There is nothing wrong in
      G12 and so is the Catholic.

      My reply: nothing is wrong pero naniniwala sa G12? Anong klaseng pag uugali iyan? Process of being a born again? O process of becoming A MEMBER on one of the sects of BORN AGAIN?

      If you are truly a server of God. don’t judge, as what God ordered us.

      My reply: may order ba ang Diyos na mag G12 system?at wala akong hinuhusgahan dito, may nakita ka ba?

      Do you know what really is important? It is to spread the word of God.

      My reply: May spreading ba about His Word pero kontra sa itinuturo ng Iglesiya katolika? Tell me.

      To spread His kingdom. Because that is what God wants us to do. Catholics, Jehova’s witnesses, Born again christians, and all those other religions who serve God are all pretty much the same because they spread the word of God, they serve God. It’s just a way on how to spread the kingdom of God. By the way, God didn’t specifically said on how to spread His kingdom.

      My reply: may sinasabi ba ang Dios na iba iba ang kanyang mga doktrina?

      Hypocrites? ha! I was once a hypocrite. I go to my church, showing others that I believe in God, that I serve God, but without the passion and heart and they don’t even see that. Now that is a hypocrite! a pretender! I am actually very glad because I was saved by the Lord.

      My reply: eh kasalanan mo naman pala eh na hindi mo isinasapuso ang iyong pananampalataya, eh bakit umalis ka pa at kelangan pang mamugad sa G12 system? Puede bang baguhin mo muna sarili mo at paninindigan ang pananampalataya mo bago ka umalis? Lumalabas kang ipokrito nga!

      People who follow this G12 “strategy” truly served God with all their hearts. And that’s what you call a hypocrite?

      My reply: may truly bang hindi sumusunod sa turo ni Kristo sa Iglesia Katolika?

      You think we brainwashed people? How come? We are just humans. We are all DIFFERENT. Some strategies will work on us, and some don’t. It really depends on the person.

      My reply: yes, brainwashed kayo. Tell me, what are your learnings about the Catholic faith before you are now in the process of BEING A BORN AGAN (daw?)

      Now, if you are wondering why I asked if you are truly a server of God, it is because you are wasting your time trying to ruin another way of spreading the Kingdom of God. When what you should be doing right now is to spread His kingdom. Spread His love, His words, His story. That is what is important.

      My reply: fallacy iyan igan, wala akong sinabing mali ang pag spread ng good news. Ang sinasabi ko, mali ang pag anib sa mga BA churches at lalo na sa G12 system.. puede bang pakibasa ng article ko?

      There was no Catholic, or G12 being stated in the Bible.

      My reply: Kathang isip mo lang iyan, merong Catholic sa Bible, ang G12 wala.. gusto mong matuto?

      It His words, His teachings. Both have points. What you should be doing right now is to be His instrument. To spread His word. To share to other people what God has made you.

      My reply: wala nga akong sinabing mali ang pag spread ng good news, ang sinasabi ko, mali ang pag adhere sa mga doktrina at sistemang ipinapakalat ng G12 at mga member churches nito.

      I am not defending the G12, I am just saying my opinion.

      My reply: nagdedefend ka sa G12, dahil kung hindi, dapat wala kang comment dito. Respetuhin mo ang blog ko, para rerespetuhin din kita.. kung sinuntok ka, problema mo na yan kung susuntukin mo ako. May opinion ka pang nalalaman diyan.

      That we should ALL respect each other.

      My reply: may respeto ako sa mga kaibayo, pero wala akong respeto sa doktrinang itinuturo nila. Kung may tutol ka sa aking article, pakilahad ditto kung saan.

      Do you think God is happy of what you’re doing?

      My reply: Masaya ang Diyos kapag inilalahad ang katotohanan. Magagalit siya kapag wicked ang iyong ginagawa upang linlangin ang kawan ni kristo hesus.

      That He is pleased? You are breaking His rules. You are disobeying Him. By what way? By judging us. By hating us. You yourself said that you defy our system. In which that would be us.

      My reply: Ikaw ang nagbreak, kasi kung ako pa ang nagbreak, buti sana kung I am not practicing what I believe in to be true.. Tanungin mo muna sarili mo bago ka manghusga.

      You think that those who follows the G12 needs to be saved? Why? You tried our system, you think it’s not right. Okay then. But try to respect us. You think we are your enemies? Then love your enemies.

      My reply: Hindi ko kalaban ang mga miyembro ng G12, in fact ang iba sa kanila kaibigan ko, pero kaaway ko ang bulok at maling sistema ng G12. Naiintindihan mo ba ang aking sinasabi?

    • #21 by flewen on March 17, 2015 - 1:57 am

      Just as what God said. Do you know who needs to be saved? Those HYPOCRITES, those who say they serve God but committing sins with great pleasure over and over again. Now those are HYPOCRITES. Not just hypocrites, even non-believers, atheists, those who still don’t know God, those who are not committed to Him. Those kind of people are the ones who needs to be saved.

      My reply, kasali ka nga sa ipokrito alam mo ba kung bakit? Kung tunay kang Katoliko, dapat isinasapuso mo ang iyong pananampalataya, hindi lang sa pagsisimba kundi sa pagsaliksik sa kung bakit nga ba ganito o ganyan ang pinaniniwalaan ng mga Katoliko. Hindi mo hawak ang Iglesiya katoliko kaibigan na baga ay everything is under your control and you choose on what you believe in the doctrines of the Catholic Faith. Isa kang Nominal Catholic na matatawag.

      I am a Catholic, but I am following the G12 system. It is because their system worked on me. It made a TRUE server of God. Now, the G12 system may have not worked on you. But it worked in your college friend. Just as what I have said, we are all DIFFERENT. But even though we are different, we are not on the same team, same system, that doesn’t matter. As long as we are committed to God, we are spreading His Kingdom and His words, we are serving Him, that matters.

      My reply: kaibigan, masama ang ginawa mo. You are trying to contest the authority of the hierarchy of the Catholic Chruch. It works in the emotional sense but not on the true sense. Ano ba turo sa atin ng Katesismo patungkol sa Iglesiyang tatag ni Kristo Hesus?

      “This is the sole Church of Christ, which in the Creed we profess to be one, holy, catholic and apostolic.” These four characteristics, inseparably linked with each other, indicate essential features of the Church and her mission. The Church does not possess them of herself; it is Christ who, through the Holy Spirit, makes his Church one, holy, catholic, and apostolic, and it is he who calls her to realize each of these qualities.”

      Nakikita mo ba na sa pagsunod mo sa sistema ng G12 ay lumalabas na kinocontest mo ang abilidad ng Iglesia Katolika na gawin ang kanyang responsibilidad upang maging ganap ang pagiging TUNAY na MANANAMPALATAYA natin kay KristoHesus.

      Walang pa different different pa diyan. Hindi yan isang laruan na puede mong ipaghalo sa isang basket, at huag kang mag eksperimento ok?

      Ano ba sabi ng Bibliya sa pagiging isa ng pananampalataya?

      John 10:16: Jesus prophesies that “there shall be one fold and one shepherd.”

      Ngayon,sigurado ka bang kahit anumang sekta ka kaanib ay ok lang basta you are spreading God’s word?

  10. #22 by ChelsChildOfGod on January 20, 2015 - 1:20 pm

    *It made ME a true server of God. Sorry, I missed to type the ME word.🙂

    • #23 by flewen on June 26, 2015 - 2:02 pm

      ano ba sabi ng bibliya patungkol sa mga bulaang mga propetang magsisisulputan sa panahon ngayon? hindi mo ba naitatanong iyan sa iyong pastor?”

  11. #24 by ChelsChildOfGod on January 20, 2015 - 1:38 pm

    Oh, by the way. People makes mistakes, and the mistake of the catholics was years ago about why Martin Luther went against the Catholics. His reason was correct but that was years ago noong na uuso pa sistemang pagpatay ng walang sala. And, you are also mistaken that our system are spreading lies about Catholics. If you’re so bold with what you said, can you state what “lies we spread” about catholics?

    • #25 by flewen on March 17, 2015 - 1:59 am

      marami.. gusto mo iisa isahin ko?

      Na sumasamba daw ang mga katoliko sa rebulto?
      Na anti Kristo daw ang santo papa?
      Na sinasamba daw ng mga katoliko si maria?
      Na 666 daw ang Santo Papa?
      Na maraming pinatay ang santo papa?

      at iba pa… marami oa iyan , hindi mo ba napansin iyan? ipokrito ka nga na matatawag

  12. #26 by Kimberze (@princebherze) on March 25, 2015 - 4:34 pm

    what matters most is that how you live your life with God is not about what sector you belong. kahit na nasa g12 or catholic kapa kung hindi mo ginagawa yung will ng Panginoon walang silbi yung paniniwala mu.. ang main point lang nmn ng G12 ay maishare yung ginawa ni Jesus sa cross at ano ba talaga ang ibig sabihin nun. it is about helping other people to grow in their relationship with Christ. [think of this] pano mu matutulongan ang libo libung tao na sumusunod sa isang paniniwala kung isa lang maglead?. kaya po yan 12 para mas macater yung need ng mga tao.[just open ur mind lam q na negative agad nasa mind mo pagbinabasa mo to.. try to see it in other perspective] instead na usig ka ng usig sa iba why don’t build up your mind and fix your eyes to Jesus .. lam nyu po, ung aso hindi kumakahol sa mga taong kilala nila masyado. (hindi ka po aso hah. ang idea lang po nya ang kunin mo.)😀 peace mga kapatid!

    • #27 by flewen on June 26, 2015 - 2:02 pm

      hindi dahilan ang what matters most na sinasabi mo. alam mo, kapag idadahilan mo iyan ay para mo na ring sinasabi na walang naestablish si Kristo na Iglesia.. ano ba sabi ni Hesus kay Simon Barjona sa Mateo 16:18-19? Hindi bat iisang iglesia lang ang tatag na Kanyang naitatag. Masama ang wrong usage ng ecumenism kaibigan dahil kapag idedeny mo ang katotohanan patungkol sa Iglesiyang tatag ni Kristo, idinadahilan mo lamang ito upang ijustify na ok lang na magpalipat lipat ng sekta.

      at wala akong pagkontra patungkol sa mga gawang ayon sa kalooban ng Diyos dahil hindi iyan ang argumento. Ang pinag uusapan dito ay ang doktrinang itinuturo ng inyong mga pastor.

      Isang kasaulaan ang pagdadahilan ng pagpipinpoint ng mga gawaing hindi ko naman kinokontra. Focus sa pinag uusapan, hindi sa pag evade sa tunay na pinag uusapan

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