the misquotations of Mr. Christian of INC


Ito magaling na FLEWEN:
MGA PUMALPAK NA DOKUMENTO DIN BA ITO?
BASAHIN MONG MABUTI HEHEHEHEHE….
“Et quantum ad primum, CUM PAPA SIT VICARIUS FILII DEI, sicut quod Deus fecit mediantibus creaturis tanquam mediantibus causis secundis, totus potus facere immediate per seipsum, ita papa saltem quantum ad potestatem jurisdictionis. Sicut omnes fideles regit mediantibus ecclesiae ministris, ita potest immediate per seipsum regere.”
English Translation:
“And as much as to the first, since THE POPE IS VICAR OF THE SON OF GOD, as that God made the creatures as if by means of the mediation of secondary causes, the whole he could do directly by himself, so the pope has at least as much power of jurisdiction. Similarly, he can govern directly all the faithful, or by means of the ministers of the Church.”
[Volume 3 of SUMMA THEOLOGICAE by the Archbishop of Florence, Saint Anthony (1389 – 1459), was published in Venice. Title 22, chapter 5, section 16]
Eto pa ang isa pa:

“Et post Deum Imperator Apostolicus hoc approbat, (ut in ca. venerabilem. de electione. et ibi docto.) Ex quibus apparet, quòd Imperator Romanorum est dominus seu protector universàlis Christianorum. (et vide Abba. in c. novit de judi.* qui dicit communem esse opinionem), quòd Imperium à Deo sit; ET À PAPA IMMEDIATE, QUI EST VICARIUS FILII DEI.”
English Translation:
“After God’s Chief Apostle has given his approbation, … with which it is evident the Roman Emperor is lord or universal protector of Christians, etc., … supreme power is from God, AND NEXT THE POPE, WHO IS THE VICAR OF THE SON OF GOD.”
[Thesaurus Christianae Religiones, Alphonsus Alvarez Guerrero, 1559, chapter LV (55), De Imperatore et eius authoritate, pg. 305, line 30, a second copy pg. 305, line 30:]
Iyan MGA DOKUMENTONG IYAN, SINASABI NA ANG PAPA AY ANG VICAR OF THE SON OF GOD O “VICARIUS FILII DEI”

sagot: ang pinag-uusapan, ay ag titulong ginamit ng santo papa. Ang quotations na ipinoste mo does not define any fact that the title is used by the pope as Vicarius Filii Dei, because if we are going to read the commentaries of St. Anthony of Florence and Alphonosos Alvrez Guerrero, it only speaks to their description of who the pope is, in short, it is not a title but a description. Ang argumento kasi Mr. Christian eto ah:

patunayan na ang Vicarius Filii Dei ay titulong ginamit ng santo papa sa kanyang pagiging papa o sa tiara [base na rin sa September 1976 issue ng pasugo].

Sa argumento namin ni Aerial, lumalabas na hangin lang ang ibinuga niya at wala siyang naipakitang ebidensiya t prove that the title is being used by the pope. Eh kaso, doon kayo namumulot sa commentary which in fact not a final declaration or title for the pope. so sorry ha, dahil ang ebidensiya mo ay commentary at hindi official declaration of the Vatican itself.
sabi mo: Ano iyan sumablay din ba ang mga iyan? Hmmmmmm….

 

sagot: pinapahalata mo lamang ang pagkaignornte mo sa facts. Akalain mo, nagmistulang search engine ang internet at nang nakabasa lang ng Vicrius Filii Dei as to describe the pope eh totally sasabihing it is considered as an approved title of the pope? mahiya ka naman Christian.
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Tandaan mo sabi nga ni BROD. AERIAL sa BLOG niya;
“HINDI MAHALAGA KUNG NAKASULAT MAN O HINDI SA KORONA NG PAPA ANG MGA KATAGANG “VICARIUS FILII DEI”, DAHIL ANG IMPORTANTE AY IPINAKIKILALA ANG PAPA NG IGLESIA KATOLIKA SA PAMAMAGITAN NITO, NA BILANG KATIBAYAN NA ITO AY KANIYANG TITULO, NA ISA SA EBIDENSIYA NA PINATUTUNAYAN NG BIBLIA NA PAGKAKAKILANLAN SA TAONG INIHALINTULAD SA HAYOP NA ANG KANIYANG PANGALAN o TITULO AY MAY KATUMBAS NA BILANG NA 666.”
HINDI ANG KORONA ANG 666 FLEWEN, KUNDI ANG TITULONG “VICARIUS FILII DEI” NA IPINAPATUNGKOL SA PAPA…
KAYA HINDI IMPORTANTE KAY NASA KORONA IYON NG PAPA O WALA….
HEHEHEHEHE….VERY POOR FLEWEN…

 

sagot:

Ang ikinakatwa ko lang ngayon sa argumento ng mga INC, pinipilit talaga nilang sabihin na ang Vicarius Filii Dei ay ginamit na titulo ng santo papa.

 

Ayon sa September 1976, ito nga raw ay nakaukit sa papal tiara ng santo papa.

 

Eh bakit ngayon, sasabihing, hindi mahalaga kung nakalagay ba sa tiara ang titulo o hindi? Malaking kalokohan iyan mga INC, last resort

Magquote ng mga description of the pope instead of the authorized and approved title that was used by the pope. Kaya nga umurong ang mga Adventists eh dahil wala silang prueba for their claim. Even a picture of the tiara, wala silang naipakita. So it only shows, humugot lang kayo ng basurang argumento laban sa iglesiya katolika.

  1. #1 by Christian on August 24, 2011 - 9:59 pm

    Iposte mo nga dito ang eksaktong sinabi ng Pasugo Flewen?

    Pakita mo nga, gusto kong makita…

  2. #2 by flewen on August 27, 2011 - 9:46 am

    as I said, I showed it already, I don’t have to elaborate it since the copy of it was shown. It was only shared to me by my friends in apologetics so I could not give to you the exact wordings of it, but one thing for sure nga that on that article, your pasugo tackled about vicarius filii dei…so what is the ptoblem with that?

    and btw, you have your pasugo archives in your locale right? maybe you could go there and ask for a copy of it para magkaalaman nga…

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