I get it


Iglesia ni Kristo [manalo] members adamantly commented negative thoughts about my blog. Christian and his colleagues often say, “my blog is poor”, “lie” etc etc. But one thing for sure, they are the ones who is having a dilemma on how to defend their beliefs from being questioned by us, Catholic Defenders. These bloggers {namely: Aerial Cavalry, readme, christian, sidewinder} are officially ignorant to the Catholic doctrines and practices. As you are going also to check the blog of mr. readme and Aerial, both are just mere lies and malicious attempt to fool our fellow Catholics.

I read today the comment of mr. Aerial Cavalry to mr. readme’s blog, he denied several points I posted in my blog and tends to be choosy in refuting the rebuttals I stated in response to his accusations about the pope=666 claims.

Here are the points that he did not tackle or denied:

1. He never pointed out about the tiara issue.

[his alibi: it is not about the tiara’s enscryption but about the title used by the pope]

note: the pasugo publication, september 1976 will contradict his alibi because it has been their main topic on that said month and year.

2. He never pointed out about the videos concerning Mr. Manalo’s disappointment of those freak pastors of their church.

[his alibi: they have a process of expulsion to those bad ministers/members]

note: i did not see any records that they were expelled, there were even many INC members who committed crimes left to be INC until now. [proofs will be posted to another article]

On the other hand, Mr. Christian who happens to be a fanatic INC member, questioned the pasugo article I posted in this blog. He even posted the link of the Catholic Faith Defenders domain and pointed out about the footnote issue. According from his comment, the pasugo issue I posted is questionable because it has footnotes and its year published while the pasugo he have now doesn’t have.

Question: what year was that pasugo he read?

I remember when Mr. Karl Keating opened up this article to his debate versus Mr. Ventilacion, the one I posted in here is also the same to what he exposed. In connection, mr. Ventilacion did not opposed it because it really was published and he only alibied that the mistake is not within them but of the Seventh Day Adventists.

Sidewinder on the other hand, questioned my story about the INCs involvement in debates in Davao especially their beloved ministers of faith. He wanted me to identify them by name, but the truth is it is his tactic to degrade the factual events I experienced regarding the debate I experienced battling in verbatim to a deacon namely, Mr. Johnny Rasonable.

Plain fact: I cannot identify to him the names, but what I can assure to him that there were INC ministers engaging to debates in Rizal park, Davao City every Sunday before not until newly installed ministers are doing papogi points only in their locales leaving their deacons . If you like, you can hear religious debates every Sunday via Bombo Radyo-Davao via their website.: [click here]

I read also in other blogs their alibis when Catholic Defenders/ Defensores Fidei bloggers defended the Catholic faith by saying, “poor”, not good, hatred lang iyan, etc etc…

Proving their last resort every time they could not explain their faith:

Filipino Cult blog- [click here]

Splendor of the Church [Fr. Abe Arganiosa’s blog]- [click here]

Sarionton’s blog – [click here]

Now, I GET IT! they are all doing tactics.

  1. #1 by Christian on September 11, 2011 - 10:53 am

    Plain Fact also,

    NO INC MINISTER WOULD INDULGE HIMSELF, IN ANY DEBATE OTHER THAN A FORMAL PUBLIC DEBATE. THAT’S 100% FACT…

    Walang MINISTRO ng INC, na pupunta sa Rizal Park sa Davao para makipagdebate doon sa mga tambay doon.

    HIndi ganiyan ka cheap ang aming mga MINISTRO…

    Kung meron man na pumupunta doon, I’m sure iyon lang mga KAPATID namin na mahilig makipagdebate…

    Sabi ko nga sa iyo…SA AMIN MAGSALITA PA LANG AT KUNG PAPAANO HUMAWAK NG BIBLIA, AT KUNG PAPAANO KUMU,MPAS NG KAMAY…mahahalat mo na kung ministro o hindi…

    Pag…pamali-mali ng bigkas, pagkapos inaabot ng siyam-siyam sa paghahanap ng talata sa Biblia…HINDI MINISTRO IYON…

    DAHIL ANG MINISTRO NAMIN HASA SA BIBLIA….HINDI KA PA NAKAKAISANG VERSE NAKAKASAMPU NA SIYA….

    IYAN ANG MINISTRO SA INC…

    TSAKA PAG TINATANONG KA PA LANG…MAIIPIT KA NA..TANONG PA LANG…

    ISA PA! HINDI NATATAMEME ANG MINISTRO NAMIN SA DISKUSYON…

    BAKIT HINDI MO KASI SUBUKAN NA MAKIPAGDEBATE SA MINISTRO NAMIN PARA MA-EXPERIENCE MO…

    SIGE NA FLEWEN PAKITANG GILAS KA…LABANAN MO NG DEBATE MINISTRO NAMIN…SIGE SINO GUSTO MONG MAKALABANG MINISTRO? MAGSABI KA LANG…

    TATAWAG AKO KAGAD SA PINSAN KONG MINISTRO NA NASA CENTRAL…PARA MAIKASA NATIN IYAN…

    HIndi iyang puro ka lang PALAGAY na may MINISTRO NA NAGPUPUNTA SA RIZAL PARK SA DAVAO.

    Kahit na hindi pa ako napupunta diyan…TINITIYAK KO SA IYO…WALANG MINISTRO NA NAGPUPUNTA DIYAN…

    SIGE MAGBIGAY KA NG PANGALAN. AT KUNG SAANG LOKAL NAKADESTINO….

    BIGAY MO…MADALING-MADALING MAVERIFY IYAN KUNG TALAGANG MINISTRO…

    • #2 by flewen on September 21, 2011 - 3:21 pm

      this decade YES..but before..NO!…I think you should have been scanning ministers of INC who were engaging to public debates…

  2. #3 by Christian on September 11, 2011 - 11:10 am

    I am still waiting doon sa PASUGO na IPOPOST MO na mababasa ng MALINAW iyong BUONG PAGE…

    Dahil pag kahit NAKA-ZOOM hindi ito mabasa…

    Gusto kong makita kung papaano idiniscuss iyong ISSUE…

    KUNG PUWEDE IPOST MO ANG MALINAW NA KOPYA NG PASUGO 1976 ISSUE FLEWEN…

    Gusto kong mabasa ang nilalaman ng buong pahina…

    IN THAT WAY MALALAMAN KO NA TALAGANG PAGE NGA IYAN NG PASUGO.,…

    TANDAAN MO FLEWEN…THE POPE IS THE FULFILLMENT OF THE PROPHECY IN REVALATIONS 13:18,

    Brecause of the TITLE “VICARIVS FILII DEI” that HE claims:

    “THE POPE CLAIMS TO BE THE “VICAR OF THE SON OF GOD”, while the Latin words for this DESIGNATION are not inscribed, as anti-Catholics maintain, on the Pope’s tiara”. [Our Sunday Visitor, 11, No. 14, July 23, 1922.]

    “VICAR OF THE SON OF GOD” = VICARIUS FILII DEI

    Ang TITLE ANG MAY NUMERONG 666, at hindi ang KORONA…

    Kaya NASA KORONA MAN O WALA ANG NASABING TITULO…it does not make any difference, kasi nga ang 666 ay ang mismong PANGALANG “VICARIUS FILII DEI” na ipinantatawag sa kaniya…

    Walang iniwan lang sa ganito iyan eh, may ID ako na isinusuot sa trabaho na nakalagay ang POSITION ko halimbawa: “PROJECT MANAGER”

    Naiwala ko iyong ID ko, o hindi ko na isinusuot, would that mean na hindi na ako PROJECT MANAGER?

    Oh hindi ba? Kahit walang suot ang PAPA na may nakasulat na VICARIUS FILII DEI…hindi nangangahulugan iyon na hindi na siya VICAR OF THE SON OF GOD [ VICARIUS FILII DEI ]…at iyon ang may katumbas ng numerong 666. Kita mo inaamin ng SUNDAY VISITOR,…Baka sabihin mo na naman mali ang artikulong iyan?

    LALABAS NIYA NA PURO KASINUNGALINGAN NA LANG ANG SINASABI NG DIYARIYONG KATOLIKONG IYAN…

    KAPAG WALA KANG NAIPAKITA NA MALINAW NA KOPYA NG BUONG PAGE NG 1976 ISSUE NG PASUGONG IYAN…

    I’M SORRY PERO HINDI AKO MANINIWALA NA PAHINA NG PASUGO IYAN…

    • #4 by flewen on September 21, 2011 - 3:20 pm

      i’m sorry, but it is much better for you to watch the debate of Mr. Ventilacion and Mr. Keating and there you will see that he did not say any negative comments about it….

  3. #5 by Christian on September 11, 2011 - 11:16 am

    Ang by the way don’t accuse me of doing this:

    “On the other hand, Mr. Christian who happens to be a fanatic INC member, questioned the pasugo article I posted in this blog. He even posted the link of the Catholic Faith Defenders domain and pointed out about the footnote issue. According from his comment, the pasugo issue I posted is questionable because it has footnotes and its year published while the pasugo he have now doesn’t have.”

    Hindi ako iyan…basahin mong mabuti ang BLOG mo, dahil mukhang hindi ka nagbabasa ng mabuti ng sarili mong BLOG…NAKAKHIYA IYAN….

    • #6 by flewen on September 21, 2011 - 3:50 pm

      oh really? it happens to be your co-INC that questioned me?

      I remember you saying this:

      “HIndi makita ng maliwanag kung ano ang nakalagay sa PASUGO, kapag ito ay isinu-ZOOM, nais kong MABASA ang SINASABI SA BUONG PAGE.

      Makipost mo ang mas MALINAW na KOPYA ng PASUGO.”

      wow naman, why are you asking me like that if you are not implying to what I stated?

  4. #7 by Sidewinder on September 12, 2011 - 1:05 pm

    Kapag nakipag Debate si Flewen sa mga Ministro ng INC, malamang ang balls nito, mapunta sa kanyang batok. O dili kaya’y magtago sa ilalaim ng lamesa. Flewen, matalo mo lang ang isa sa mga Ministro namin. Sure sasama kami sa iyo. ^_^ haha.

    • #8 by flewen on September 21, 2011 - 3:30 pm

      I don’t care if you will say like that to me…at least, I can see how ludicrous INC are in adhereing to theire false doctrines..and btw, I have no more time to reply Aerial’s dillusions because I am as of now busy with my work…

      I can reprove what I stated in here but as of now, it is not yet my taste na patulan ko muna siya…hehehe…

  5. #9 by Sidewinder on September 12, 2011 - 1:07 pm

    Eto may bagong Post na naman si Bro. AC. Basahin mo

    http://torch-of-salvation.blogspot.com/2011/09/sagot-sa-baluktot-na-pagtutol-ni-flewen_5355.html

    eto Flewen sumagot ka dito. hehe.

    • #10 by flewen on September 21, 2011 - 3:28 pm

      hi sidewinder, I have no time now to read his replies….my proof here is enough to let end your dillusions..

      remember, your pasugo article of September 1976 SHOWED LIES and now you are covering it up? how ludicrous your stupidity in adhering to the cover-up of Mr. Aerial? huh?

      with regards to his 666 propaganda? lolz! there is difference between TITLE and NAME-CALLING…title is the APROVED ONE and NAME-CALLING is the UNOFFICIAL description depending on the people’s opinion…

      ganun lang iyan eh, kapag naipit, magpapalusot,, wala talaga siyang narefute sa akin eh patungkol sa 1976 issue of Pasugo patungkol sa 666…sorry to dismay you kid..

  6. #11 by jokingonlee on September 22, 2011 - 4:25 am

    On the tiara issue. Did the INC placed its point on the tiara or the title?

    As you may well know the Catholics authorities have a knack of CONCEALING and TRANSFERRING pedophile priest.

    They even DENIED the document of the DONATION OF CONSTANTINE which mentions the disputed title. However it is now DENIED, It points clearly to the FACT that your authorities BENEFITTED from that DOCUMENT.

    on your second point. “Mr. Manalo’s disappointment of those freak pastors of their church.” Well, who wouldn’t be disappointed for freak pastors as you say. Thats why they are expelled.

    You said “note: i did not see any records that they were expelled, there were even many INC members who committed crimes left to be INC until now. ”

    Well, it is not for public information dearest. It is being announced in an INC congregation not with any other church like yours dear. I’m sure you have heard of ex ministers who went to the fold of ADD. Whether you believe it or not dear it doesn’t mean we don’t do it. Or prove anything to you.

    It is not something we should be showing off as you would like us to do. We are not like your priest who threaten their own brethren publicly of excommunication in leading dailies. Like your brethren Noynoy. Just to prove something.

    Sorry dearest but the INC is not like that.

    Come again dear “Proving their last resort every time they could not explain their faith:”

    I believe that would be your faith. I had the pleasure of talking with many catholics like you and not one of you can point out WHERE in the BIBLE is the teaching of 3 persons in one god?

    After all, a lot of catholics are indeed proud that the catholics translated the bible they would. So how come it is not that easy for a catholic to point to a verse in the bible that teaches about this?

    Now i get it. Catholics simply don’t know. They don’t know that they are being fooled by their mentors. Can you prove me wrong?

    • #12 by flewen on September 30, 2011 - 4:36 pm

      my dear INC member,

      the truth is that you never again defended the claims in the pasugo that the vicarius filii dei is enscrypted to the Papal Tiara and that is the bottomline of the issue..

      about the donation of constantine? you really relied with those anti-catholics who think that the donation of constantine was really a document that would make your claims valid but it is otherwise and without a doubt, a forgery. According from the Catholic Encyclopedia, it was forged in between the years of 750 and 850. read more: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05118a.htm

      there were also several sources that would prove that it is the most famous forgery of all time.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donation_of_Constantine

      http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Donation_of_Constantine

      Lorenzo Valla proved it was a forgery during the Renaissance, it proved the basis for papal territorial and jurisdictional claims in Italy. Probably at least a first draft of it was made shortly after the middle of the eighth century in order to assist Pope Stephen II in his negotiations with the Frankish Mayor of the Palace, Pepin the Short.

      Now about those freak ministers of your church? I don’t know if you have any idea why Mr. Manalo was angry to those who were bad ministers of whom until now he did not know who they are since they are being kept by their respective locales. Remember also those chain crimes that your members or ministers did.

      http://phillipgarcia.wordpress.com/2009/01/30/behind-the-iglesia-ni-cristos-king-maker-role-a-chain-of-crimes-and-mythical-numbers/

      Now, about the personal concerns of the faithful, the church never forced the people to choose on what sides are they if we talk on the social issues such as the bill or whatsoever since we all have been given the freedom to choose, but the church is doing her best to inform the people as to what sides and what are the probable results if they will choose that side or not. and that is the good thing with the Catholic Church, we all follow democracy, since that was the reason why we have the kind of nation that we have now.

      About Catholics who were not able to at least explain to you about the Holy Trinity, we must also think that not all can cite biblical passages as to what we are doing as of now, not all are educated with regards to chapters and verses in the Bible but they can also have the option based in their experience and logic as long as it abides also to the teachings that we can read in the scripture and the magesterium of the church. Without those two elements, you can’t open your own stand. It is also the same to INCs that not 100% of your members can memorize biblical passages but can explain according to what your ministers had taught them to believe.

      Now, Catholics should be proud that our forefathers especially St. Jerome was the first one to translate the Bible into the lingua Franca of Europe that time, as to debunk the stealing tactic of INC that you never and did not even have your own legacy when it comes to Bible translation but rather adhered also to other protestant translations which is obviously not into your credit.

      Now, I truly get it always,INC doesn’t know anything but brainwashed by your ministers, you should take note that INCs prey were nominal Catholics. You never even have a popular theologian that became well-known to the Theistic society that we have today, and even manalo, went and studied to a protestant theological school before he built his own false church..the iglesia ni kristo ni manalo corporation…

  7. #13 by jokingonlee on September 22, 2011 - 5:11 am

    The splendor blog has a lot of teachings that can fool an unwary catholic. And the owner obviously filters comments especially if the question of their faith is proven to be wrong.

    Now I get it, this is how they defend. The blog is just for people like you dear. So they can continue to fool a lot of catholics.

    They could not stand up to a public debate in front of people. At least in a blog they can have a certain amount of CONTROL.

    Well, I can’t blame him. Your dear pari would be in a situation where he has no control of. Defending on open ground may subject him to undue embarrassment like Keating.

    Imagine the simple question who decided among the apostle has the FINAL DECISION. Keating said it was PETER as he is the pope as Catholics contend.

    But in your bible our Minister pointed out and found it was Apostle JAMEs who decided among them. Imagine that.

    How can Peter be a Pope when it was JAMEs who clearly has the FINAL DECISION on matters of the church?

    Keating was obviously red with embarrassment. who wouldn’t be. You really didn’t expect that the INC could be defeated in an open debate now do you. The INC didn’t rise to where it is now if the ministers of the INC could not defend the faith in front of many catholics like you. It all started with one man “Ka Felix”.

    If your priest could not defend your faith then. How much more now? So your pari in splendor can relish in his safe ground. Thats his choice.

    Now I get it. Cowards are like that also. Won’t you agree?

    • #14 by flewen on September 30, 2011 - 4:09 pm

      Keating never had felt embarasment in the first place, it’s just only your assumption because as it was told by him, it is hot in the area and since he is white, he might have the tendency to have reddish colored skin when the debate is going on. remember, Mr. Ventilacion had colleagues helping and putting those references to his arena every time he debates while Mr. Keating is the sole holder of his sources,is that fair with you?

      second, about james and peter issue, mr. Keating explained to us the importance of the primacy of St. Peter as the pope of the Catholic Church. As to the case of St/ James, it is true that he officiated a big contribution during the council, but to the end, St. Peter held the final words and all kept silent:

      Acts 15:7-12

      7 And when there had been much disputing, Peter, rising up, said to them: Men, brethren, you know that in former days God made choice among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe.

      8 And God, who knows the hearts, gave testimony, giving unto them the Holy Ghost, as well as to us:

      9 And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

      10 Now therefore, why tempt you God to put a yoke upon the necks of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?

      11 But by the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, we believe to be saved, in like manner as they also.

      12 And all the multitude held their peace: and they heard Barnabas and Paul telling what great signs and wonders God had wrought among the Gentiles by them.

      and St. james acknowledged it.

      Acts 15: 13-14

      13 And after they had held their peace, James answered, saying: Men, brethren, hear me.

      14 Simon has related how God first visited to take to the Gentiles, a people to his name.

      you see, the primacy doesn’t need to talk more but to decide at its best and that’s what St. Peter did and was acknowledged by the majority.

      about Fr. Abe, we cannot blame him for stating harsh but comprehensive comments towards INC and non-catholics, he had done his best in order to support the Catholic teachings and recently, he proved more as he debbunked the notions of your inc brethren in Davao concerning the RH Bill…I hope you had watched it in youtube.

  8. #15 by inm on September 24, 2011 - 3:04 pm

    hi po, flewen is right, yung punto po ng isa dyan about the title pero hindi ang korona ay palusot lamang para itago ninyo ang pangloloko ng inyong mga kasama. bakit pa ho ba kukuwestiyunin ang september 1976 na isyu ng pasugo kung pupuwede niyo namang halungkatin ang inyong mga library diyan sa inyung mga lnkal para iverifika kung ang ipinakita ba ni flewen ay peke ba o hindi, ibig bang sabihin ay tungaw po kayo about niyan?

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