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Refuting G12 system defined by Good Harvest Ministry [part II]


Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. (16) You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? (17) Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. (18) A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. (19) Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. (20) Therefore by their fruits you will know them. Matthew 7:15-20

 

Part II

 

They said: G12 is a New Testament Christianity

My reply: really? I cannot even read in history that the system started, all I’ve read were the scenarios and symbolism why Jesus chose 12 apostles.

They said: G12 is basically living New Testament Christianity. Many churches, models, and movements excel in one or two areas of ministry. G12 is a practical vision to live the ministry.

My reply: and adding anti-Catholicism in order to grow, that is the foolish tactic that I ever seen especially that your targets are youth, Catholic youth of which are curious and like to explore about what’s God for them, and it is funny how you regard the system as a Living New Testament Christianity? Come on, churches under G12 didn’t even have unity amongst themselves because of doctrinal, personal and financial reasons? I simply get the fact why until now you have no unity by those I mentioned but become one in attacking Catholic doctrines, tsk tsk tsk..

they said: Matthew 28:19-20 NKJV says: “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations…” This is the Great Commission. Every church is commanded to win souls and make disciples!  A church that is not winning is hardly a church at all. In the Vision, we call this WINNING.

my reply: there is no problem in doing discipleship, but it should be in line with the teachings of the apostles and Jesus Himself. Remember, Christ established a church [Mt. 16:18-19], and it should be one in Faith [Ephesians 4:5], and personal interpretations of scripture is highly forbidden in the bible [Proverbs 3:5]. So we have to rethink that in many ways, the system is polluted [because of system abuses] and already a pollutant [using anti-catholicism] to Christianity.

[Matthew 16: 18-19

18 And I say to you: That you are Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

19 And I will give to you the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever you shall loose on earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.

Ephesians 4:5

5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism.

Proverbs 3:5

5  Have confidence in the Lord with all your heart, and lean not upon your own prudence.

( Douay-Reihms Version)]

they said: Pastors know the value of a three-day spiritual retreat. Many men in the Bible – Moses, Jonah, Paul – had three-day encounters with the Lord. Every new believer should experience the revelation of the cross and the power of the presence of God. We call this the ENCOUNTER.
We are called not only to win people to the Lord, but to make disciples. Discipleship is the process of forming the character of Christ in each new believer. Pastors agree that the process of discipleship includes continued training in the Word, life, and ministry. We call it SCHOOL OF LEADERS.

Acts 2:46 says: “So continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart.” Scholars agree that the first church model in the book of Acts was house to house. We call it CELLS.

My reply: but some churches under G12 system never even have breaking of the bread and wine everytime they are doing their so-called worship services.

 

Here is an example:

note: no breaking of the bread and wine.

 

Now, regarding again discipleship, we have to understand that we shall be focusing also in history in order to know if what we are doing is in line with the teachings of the apostles and Jesus Himself, in the accounts of history, it was the Catholic Church that compiled the books that are to be put in the bible, never that we can read in the history that other churches outside the Catholic Church compiled and had a council whatsoever regarding the Bible, in fact, without the Bible you are holding right now, you cannot preach what you believe, ONLY the Catholic Church can do that because the church I belongst holds the fullness of truth…

they said: Everyone can do for someone else what was done for them. Giving away that which was given to you is part of being a Christian. Every Christian has something to offer. Every Christian can open a cell. Every Christian can win people to Jesus and help them to become disciples. According to this definition of leadership, “every believer is a leader of leaders.” We call this SENDING.

 

In our local churches, if we can grasp the simplicity of the Vision, we can transmit it to our people with confidence, authority, and anointing. Now is the time for the Church in the world to reflect the Church in the book of Acts.

My reply: there is a certain blogger who said that there were abuses in using the system, they combined the old to the new system and everything becomes extreme, truly extreme. One example is that how some member churches define Sex, according to Mr. Edward Baloja, Sex is good and holy, but when some hears it, they think of pornography, really pornography?..tsk tsk tsk..

 

Here’s the link for more information. http://voices.yahoo.com/g12-system-cult-8686687.html?cat=9

In this kind of personal interpretation, you see how you are divided amongst each other and this is not good, the reason why I pointed out as another form of doctrine because we have no clear and established form of system that we can see in Born Again/Evangelical ministries, they all say they teach the right doctrines but somewhat until now divided amongst each other, is that what Jesus like for His Church after 2000 years of existence?

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Refuting G12 system defined by Good Harvest Ministry[Part I]



“See that ye all follow the bishop, even as Christ Jesus does the Father, and the presbytery as ye would the apostles. Do ye also reverence the deacons, as those that carry out the appointment of God. Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop. Let that be deemed a proper Eucharist, which is [administered] either by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude also be; by the bishop, or by one to whom he has entrusted it. Wherever the bishop shall appear, there let the multitude also be; even as, wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church.” Ignatius of Antioch, Epistle to the Smyrneans, 8:2 (c. A.D. 110).

 

For the past 3 months that I was giving a mission to those who are misled by the churches adhering to the system of G12, Mr. Victor Venus commented in my blog and shared to me a link regarding the system. Thank God and this person is giving me a chance to further read and understood more the movement. Now, as I opened the link he shared, it directed me to a certain born Again ministry and explained how the mission started and the system as a whole. Please give me the opportunity to refute this one.

Here is the link for the information of everybody: http://www.doulosforchrist.org/g12

[version of Good Harvest Ministry] humor note: new version, same system..hehehe

blue= my reply

red= their statement

They said: What is G12?

This is a big question to answer because this Vision has reached all seven continents of the earth.

Reply: really, so this has reached, hmm..how fascinating indeed right?

They said: Therefore, there has been so much church growth all over the world because the Lord has breathed life into the exponential multiplication of His Kingdom. This article will give a thorough explanation of all that God has been doing through the G12 Vision.

Reply: the fact is, in Davao City, one of the tactics of your cohort churches why there is a widespread growth of the churches adhering to the system is because of Anti-Catholicism, full of flowering attacks and lots of blindfolding tactics of the members, remember, a religious denomination cannot be established without questioning the doctrines of the Catholic Church and used the Bible-Alone as the reference of their attacks, and sometimes, if a certain sect already brainwashed the minds of those poor Catholics, they will tell it to them that you do not have to engage to arguments because it is a WORK OF SATAN…Is that the convenient way of your churches in order for them not to know the falsity of your beliefs and practices?

Some of the members of this church were former Catholics deceived by the movement

They said: G12 means The Government of Twelve. It is a strategy for evangelism and multiplication. This strategy is based on a believer’s love for Jesus and therefore a compassion for the souls. It was birth out of the Great Commission found in Matthew 28:19-20.

Reply: there is no connection with what the apostles did to what you are doing now, in fact, a certain apostle did not limit converts by 12, for example, St. Paul, in ministry, he never said I will build 12 in order for the ministry to be propagated, or even Jesus never limit the numbers of His apostles to 12, it’s just that He chose the twelve to symbolize many events in the Old Testaments just like the 12 tribes of Israel [Ge 35:22; 49:28] and in no ways limitation of the numbers when it comes to sheperding a certain cell. Why did I say that? Did you remember the elders in Revelations 4:4? Where instead of what you said as having 12 members in a government, as to signify the 144,000 serving the temple, there are 24 instead? Let’s assume theat each one of them handles a cell and divide them by 24 and it will turn out that they handle 6,000 of them, not twelve right?

A certain pastor in Sultan Kudarat sharing to the members about G12

They said: The Vision is also about forming disciples after Jesus character. Jesus’ greatest desire is to see lives completely change through His Blood. He knows that the only way that lives are transformed is through the Power of the Cross.

Prayer is one essential principle within the G12 Vision. Nothing happens without prayer.  In order to be successful in this Vision, every individual believer must pray. Each person must labor in prayer for every soul that will be won.

Reply: exactly, we are encouraged to pray, but the question is, is the principle of blindfolding Catholics to the real sense of being a Christian is your way of encouraging Catholics to become members of  your flock? I remember a friend of mine who was once a member of a certain church following the system admitted that in the checklist before the conversion, they put on the list that it is bad to be a Catholic and following its doctrines, is that not anti-Catholic for you? Did Christ do that in order to invite Jews in becoming His followers? I don’t think so.

group talk with a pastor/bishop of a G12 member church

They said: It is important to know that G12 is not a denomination. For this reason it has never express the desire of any one to leave their denomination. Instead, G12 supports denominations, other ministries and Outreaches.

Reply: This is deceiving, the system cut a portion of Catholics and left the faith thus becoming members of the churches following the system. I have friends who became members of the cell groups organized by those churches, The fact is, they never make the sign of the cross anymore, never pray using the rosary, never attend the mass, never honour the saints, never honour Mama Mary and never believed already in the doctrines and practices of the Catholic Church, is that not a sign that they left already the denomination of which they were baptized ?

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