Refuting G12 system defined by Good Harvest Ministry [part II]

Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. (16) You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? (17) Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. (18) A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. (19) Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. (20) Therefore by their fruits you will know them. Matthew 7:15-20


Part II


They said: G12 is a New Testament Christianity

My reply: really? I cannot even read in history that the system started, all I’ve read were the scenarios and symbolism why Jesus chose 12 apostles.

They said: G12 is basically living New Testament Christianity. Many churches, models, and movements excel in one or two areas of ministry. G12 is a practical vision to live the ministry.

My reply: and adding anti-Catholicism in order to grow, that is the foolish tactic that I ever seen especially that your targets are youth, Catholic youth of which are curious and like to explore about what’s God for them, and it is funny how you regard the system as a Living New Testament Christianity? Come on, churches under G12 didn’t even have unity amongst themselves because of doctrinal, personal and financial reasons? I simply get the fact why until now you have no unity by those I mentioned but become one in attacking Catholic doctrines, tsk tsk tsk..

they said: Matthew 28:19-20 NKJV says: “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations…” This is the Great Commission. Every church is commanded to win souls and make disciples!  A church that is not winning is hardly a church at all. In the Vision, we call this WINNING.

my reply: there is no problem in doing discipleship, but it should be in line with the teachings of the apostles and Jesus Himself. Remember, Christ established a church [Mt. 16:18-19], and it should be one in Faith [Ephesians 4:5], and personal interpretations of scripture is highly forbidden in the bible [Proverbs 3:5]. So we have to rethink that in many ways, the system is polluted [because of system abuses] and already a pollutant [using anti-catholicism] to Christianity.

[Matthew 16: 18-19

18 And I say to you: That you are Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

19 And I will give to you the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever you shall loose on earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.

Ephesians 4:5

5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism.

Proverbs 3:5

5  Have confidence in the Lord with all your heart, and lean not upon your own prudence.

( Douay-Reihms Version)]

they said: Pastors know the value of a three-day spiritual retreat. Many men in the Bible – Moses, Jonah, Paul – had three-day encounters with the Lord. Every new believer should experience the revelation of the cross and the power of the presence of God. We call this the ENCOUNTER.
We are called not only to win people to the Lord, but to make disciples. Discipleship is the process of forming the character of Christ in each new believer. Pastors agree that the process of discipleship includes continued training in the Word, life, and ministry. We call it SCHOOL OF LEADERS.

Acts 2:46 says: “So continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, they ate their food with gladness and simplicity of heart.” Scholars agree that the first church model in the book of Acts was house to house. We call it CELLS.

My reply: but some churches under G12 system never even have breaking of the bread and wine everytime they are doing their so-called worship services.


Here is an example:

note: no breaking of the bread and wine.


Now, regarding again discipleship, we have to understand that we shall be focusing also in history in order to know if what we are doing is in line with the teachings of the apostles and Jesus Himself, in the accounts of history, it was the Catholic Church that compiled the books that are to be put in the bible, never that we can read in the history that other churches outside the Catholic Church compiled and had a council whatsoever regarding the Bible, in fact, without the Bible you are holding right now, you cannot preach what you believe, ONLY the Catholic Church can do that because the church I belongst holds the fullness of truth…

they said: Everyone can do for someone else what was done for them. Giving away that which was given to you is part of being a Christian. Every Christian has something to offer. Every Christian can open a cell. Every Christian can win people to Jesus and help them to become disciples. According to this definition of leadership, “every believer is a leader of leaders.” We call this SENDING.


In our local churches, if we can grasp the simplicity of the Vision, we can transmit it to our people with confidence, authority, and anointing. Now is the time for the Church in the world to reflect the Church in the book of Acts.

My reply: there is a certain blogger who said that there were abuses in using the system, they combined the old to the new system and everything becomes extreme, truly extreme. One example is that how some member churches define Sex, according to Mr. Edward Baloja, Sex is good and holy, but when some hears it, they think of pornography, really pornography?..tsk tsk tsk..


Here’s the link for more information.

In this kind of personal interpretation, you see how you are divided amongst each other and this is not good, the reason why I pointed out as another form of doctrine because we have no clear and established form of system that we can see in Born Again/Evangelical ministries, they all say they teach the right doctrines but somewhat until now divided amongst each other, is that what Jesus like for His Church after 2000 years of existence?



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  3. #3 by kevin on August 14, 2012 - 4:47 am

    be sure of what you are writing.. no one forces you to believe G12..

    as they say.. empty cans sound more..

    The more you talk against g12, the more you show who you are and what you are made of..

    • #4 by flewen on August 27, 2012 - 3:06 am

      mr. kevin, did I say someone is forced to believe G12? I said, G12 is contradicting their format ..Good Harvest Article stated that your faith will not be compromised by the system. But what did the member churches had done to the Catholics, they left the faith of which they treasured for so long, so is that the real motive of your system? think big!

  4. #5 by Paul Matthew john on August 22, 2014 - 5:53 am

    It’s all about Money…. If they demand money to heard the words of God!
    Walk away for surely they are going to hell.
    Do not be mislead by MAN, follow Jesus ONLY.

    • #6 by flewen on September 15, 2014 - 11:02 am

      amen. Born Again Movements never realized this and they keep on blinding themselves about the truth.

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