Answering an INC member about the conversion of Charice Pempengco to the Catholic Faith


I got busy lately when someone from the Iglesia ni Cristo Commented [eto ang source] in one of my posts regarding Charice Pempengco. I had the reply but it’s quick due to busy schedules. But anyway as to answer his/her article, please allow me first to post my reply to his/her comment that I posted

my updated reply:

                                                                             [Excuse me dear the INC are not fanatics. ]

I did not say that INCs are fanatics.

                                                                                   [We are all human like you.]

I did not even say that you are not human,

                                                                                   [We never said we are perfect.]

I never said you are perfect.

[the teachings of Christ and Apostles may be perfect but we as their followers are not. That is why we need salvation.]

so salvation comes from ???

[We are indeed saddened for the experiences Charice and her mother underwent from a person who should have been their defender. Who wouldn’t. That is why the INC leadership would not hesitate to expel the evil brethrens who do not abide by the teachings in the bible.]

her father remained to be an INC member until his death.

[Regarding post of Flewen : https://apocalypsisjesuchristi.wordpress.com/2011/08/29/as-to-remember-charice-pempengcos-conversion-to-the-catholic-faith-from-iglesia-ni-cristo-manalo/#comment-186

Yes, we do clean our own dearest. But for some they took refuge in other faiths instead of trusting their leaders to help or guide them. Thats their decision. Its not that surprising. The INC leadership can only extend their hand but they cannot force a brethren to take it if they won’t. Charice and her Mother probably found comfort from famous personalities of your faith.]

because they know the truthfulness if you are in the Catholic Fold. The INC members who were boasting in the online world about their church were silence about Ms. Charice’s situation. Remember how her mother became a battered wife which is very saddenning and hilarious. This situation only shows that not all the time, that when a former non-INC becomes part of your fold, imperfections always exist in your church.
[And it wouldn’t be surprising their awe in meeting such influential and famous people who have extended their hand. Its not surprising if they decided to switch to your faith. it happens. People can easily be taken by such earthly glitters.]

actually, the reason why I exposed the life and conversion of Charice to the Catholic faith is only to tell to the people, that INC do not have solid unity amongst themselves. The attitude of her father and their conversion to the Catholic faith only shows also that conversion to the Catholic Faith is always visible in our country even if nominal Catholics also shift faith to other denominations/religion.

[As you can see the decision to convert was not borne out of FAITH but out of a VERY BAD EXPERIENCE. Not out of BELIEF but of VIOLENCE that has haunted them.]

actually, when I watched one of the episodes of SAKSI [when it was still in the early Primetime slot] regarding her conversion, she was actually excited and dreamed of to convert to the Catholic Faith after her mothers reversion. So when Charice with her brother were asked if they’re willing to convert, they answered affirmatively and with sincerity.

here is the video:

[Do remember that their are countless catholic wives who are being subjected to violence to the same magnitude if not greater. What have you done to prevent it?]

the Catholic Church provided Family and Life Apostolate for the victims of abuses from either husband, wife or children, they were given seminars, comfort and and husband-wife-children care programs that helped many couple to sustain and maintain their status and continue the sweetness of their relationship. But this is not popular because the church doesn’t need to publicize this kind of program because BECs [basic Ecclesial Communities] are there to advertise the programs of the church.

[You said “your predecessors started it all up by putting mud to the Catholic Church” referring to the papal tiara. We do not adhere to the Adventist point dear. We merely pointed what they knew. Remember however your mentors deny it.]

Your INC predecessors copied the accusation from the Seventh Day Adventists. They were the one who scandalized that issue in order to gain popularity during their glory years. That kind of accusation were formulated by them thru the leadership of Ellen White of which the modern day SDA theologians denied the claims already. However, since Mr. Manalo became once a member of the SDA, he inherited and learned those ideas and later on propagated also the issue as to contest the Catholic Church.

[It is a fact written also in the Donation of Constatine. Although this document is already being DENIED by your mentors. It was CLEARLY USED by your church and based on history the Cahtolic church BENEFITED from this document.
“The earliest known instance of the phrase Vicarius Filii Dei is in the Donation of Constantine, now dated between the eighth and the ninth centuries AD.” source wikipedia
So it is not exactly mud that was being thrown at you dear but FACTs written by your mentors then. But later DENIED. The said document was made IN FAVOUR of your POPES and of the Roman Catholic Church.
So please don’t blame us for that.]

VFD is a clear lie. the Donation of Constantine was verified to be a hoax created by the people who wanted a favor to the church. It is surprising that you still believe on a hoax. many Catholic bloggers also posted the pictures of the Tiara but until now, your cohorts were not able to provide proofs in your claim about the 666 dilemma. I am not going to blame you in person, but I can blame this to your leader.

please provide that this kind of inscription can be found in the tiara:

Pasugo article about the Papal Tiara

because this is the actual Tiara that the pope used:

[Regarding what you said “she sees brighter life as a Catholic than being an INC”. Well, that would be your personal opinion as you see something based on what you see now. You feel honored by a person of her status converting to your faith which is not surprising. But do consider those who were ABUSED by your PRIESTs and the MANY CATHOLICs being subjected to VIOLENCE by your fellow catholics.]

There were also abuses inside the INC, the only reason why the abuses of some priests became viral in the media world was because of Secularism. We all know that the Catholic Church is the most well-known Church as to compare from other Christian denominations in the world today. Even your church is nothing as to compare the splendor that the church have for so long. It was not also who claimed that she sees brighter life but it was her who said that she’s happy that she is one in faith now with her mother. So it is not my problem anymore sir.

[This is in no way mud slinging but a wake call.
A fellow INC of mine was likewise subjected to such VIOLENCE including her mother. If Charice and her mom were subject to a hammer. They were subjected to a bolo in their necks. As a friend I could not help but want to kick her husbands ass but a sober mind calls for another way and that is to take him to our church elders.]

so, it would be illogical to use the abuses of some priests just in order to justify your accusation against the Catholic Church. It would be unfair for us that Catholics will shut down exposing the abuses of your brethren while in your side, you are happy attacking the Catholic faith.Think about it.

[Violent characters of people whether in my faith or yours is not condoned by the teachings of Christ or the Apostles. The INC follows the teaching of the apostle to EXPEL THE EVIL BRETHREN.]

I cannot tell that because the father of Charice remained to be a member of INC even if how many times he did so many bad things to his family.

[I regret to say that it is not being done by your faith. Take a good look at what your mentors did when their fellow priests were found to be PEDOPHILEs. Instead of expelling them they TRANSFERRED them to another parishes where the ABUSES CONTINUED.]
see? you are ok with the attacks to the mistakes of Catholic Clergies while it is not ok for us to expose the imperfection of your people claiming to be the only saved individuals in the end times? that’s foolishness
[And your church PAID for the CRIMINAL ACTs to the point of bankruptcy.]

it is not just the Catholic Church suffers bankruptcy, i guess, your church do also suffer it too, though not in particular about sex maniac ministers, but all about the in-activeness of the people to contribute in your abuluyan.

Closed Iglesia ni Cristo Church structure in Pampanga

[Is this mud? or is this the TRUTH? well, judge for yourself. It is recorded in the COURT RECORDs of the US. My aunt whose a devout catholic in LA was so embarass when she knew the priest who officiated her marriage was convicted of rape and child molestation. She’s still a catholic but non practicing one which is not surprising]

funny, how do we call a sad truth? is it not a mud? tell me, when there were cases of bad priests in the Catholic fold, it is not that big as to compare to other churches who also suffer those kind of scenarios. See? it is ok for you to pinpoint individual mistakes of Catholics while for Catholics pinpointing the mistakes of INC members and ministers is not ok? where’s the balance there.

[Lastly, I agree we cannot force Charice if thats what she believed in. But what did she BELIEVED in? Did your mentors indoctrinated her prior to that ceremony? Guess not, you obviously didn’t point that out in your post, which should have been more important than the ceremony
She converted as you say due to violence she had experience not out of belief in your faith. And that is what I understand in your post.]

excuse me, before a non-Catholic teen/adult converts to the Catholic Church, they are given seminars in preparation to the RCIA [Roman Catholic Initiation for Adults]. The church never directly converts a certain non-catholic adult to become Catholic not unless they are given proper education to the faith they wanted to be with. That’s why most former non-catholics who became Catholics later on become Apologists of the Church. Like Stephen Ray, Atty. Marwil Llasos, Patrick Madrid etc etc who became the inspiration of non-catholics to convert themselves to the true Church made by Christ. You have to learn about it because it seems you forgot to analyze and you are underrating the system of the RCIA.

    • #2 by flewen on December 23, 2012 - 6:12 am

      your links are closed…cannot view nor reply because it is blocked by blogger..

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